Chloramine T & new additions

[Duncan]

yes we are interested Dave im following this carefully and chipping in when needed

[DaveB]

yes we are interested Dave im following this carefully and chipping in when needed

Thanks Duncan Nice to know you are still on board
Something here that might interest you and perhaps you can explain. During the first two treatments I have tested the water for chlorine. Immediatly after adding the tablet to the test sample. The reading is zero chlorine, however if the sample is allowed to stand it gradually rises to 6ppm+after an hour or so, Even 24 hours after adding the CT. the same thing happens to the test sample. Does this show that very low levels of chlorine are slowly being released and for longer than 4 to 6 hours?
When would I expect to see a diffence in any slight marks/wounds I have on another koi.I am now just about ready to put the 3rd dose in this afternoon. The koi all seem to be ok, however one or two are still flicking on occation and some dolphining is now going on since adding the CT.Perhaps they are just trying to rid the irritation from thier gills. These are just a few observations and I am not unduely worried but your thoughts are much appreciated. Best REgards Dave

[Duncan]

yes we are interested Dave im following this carefully and chipping in when needed

Thanks Duncan Nice to know you are still on board
Something here that might interest you and perhaps you can explain. During the first two treatments I have tested the water for chlorine. Immediatly after adding the tablet to the test sample. The reading is zero chlorine, however if the sample is allowed to stand it gradually rises to 6ppm+after an hour or so, Even 24 hours after adding the CT. the same thing happens to the test sample. Does this show that very low levels of chlorine are slowly being released and for longer than 4 to 6 hours?
When would I expect to see a diffence in any slight marks/wounds I have on another koi.I am now just about ready to put the 3rd dose in this afternoon. The koi all seem to be ok, however one or two are still flicking on occation and some dolphining is now going on since adding the CT.Perhaps they are just trying to rid the irritation from thier gills. These are just a few observations and I am not unduely worried but your thoughts are much appreciated. Best REgards Dave

yes your in effect using chlorine in a very controlled manner
i would give it a few days then have another look at the wounds

dunc

[kimr]

Hi Dave

I dont know if this will help you at all, but I had a Chagoi who had some really nasty marks on her sides (skimmer injury) with the 3 day course of CT the marks had cleared up really well. Another Koi a Kohaku which has caused me some worries,the marks were not quite as well healed after the 3 day course but over a period of time have cleared up quite well.

I think the CT will work quite quickly on lesser damage and the more severe damage will take longer, maybe needing more than one course. I feel that as CT has a short acting span in the pond it is a lot less agressive than using injections (this is only my opinion) It is a lot less stress for the Koi as they stay in their enviroment and are not being handled. I do feel stress is the biggest problem we as Koi keepers have to deal with, again only my opinion.

I hope you start to see some good results soon you deserve to as you have been going through it. Also I am also really interested in how things are going, we dont always get to go through bad sittuations so having a post like this helps us all learn.

[DaveB]

I appreciate your replies and concerns and you have both given me hope. Two of the new koi have been sitting on the bottom on occation and have not taken too kindly to the last treatment of CT. however they are swimming around on occation. All my other koi have sailed through this remarkably well, but as yet there is still some wounds which have not cleared up yet on a small ogon. I will do as you say Duncan and have a look at the sanke in a few days time. Hopefully she will have recovered by then and the sitting on the bottom is not something more sinister.
Thanks Guys. Best REgards Dave

[DaveB]

Day 15( morning) Heres another update from last night. Koi are all up to the surface and swimming around and looking much happier. I Have taken another test for chlorine and is still showing some chlorine 36 hours after last treatment so should still be working .Ammonia & nitrite levels back to zero after a slight rise in nitrite yesterday. P.H. K.H. & G.H at end of treatment 7.8 ,4dh & 7 dh respectively. Best Regards Dave

[Gazza]

Hi Dave,

Good news and sounds like things are going in the right direction so fingers crossed its under control now

Well done for sticking with it mate

[DaveB]

Hi Dave,

Good news and sounds like things are going in the right direction so fingers crossed its under control now

Well done for sticking with it mate

Thanks Gazza for the reply, I don,t think I am just out of the woods yet but at least all the koi were up and enjoying a feed this early evening which is always a good sign so yes fingers crossed. Best regards Dave

[DaveB]

yes we are interested Dave im following this carefully and chipping in when needed

Thanks Duncan Nice to know you are still on board
Something here that might interest you and perhaps you can explain. During the first two treatments I have tested the water for chlorine. Immediatly after adding the tablet to the test sample. The reading is zero chlorine, however if the sample is allowed to stand it gradually rises to 6ppm+after an hour or so, Even 24 hours after adding the CT. the same thing happens to the test sample. Does this show that very low levels of chlorine are slowly being released and for longer than 4 to 6 hours?
When would I expect to see a diffence in any slight marks/wounds I have on another koi.I am now just about ready to put the 3rd dose in this afternoon. The koi all seem to be ok, however one or two are still flicking on occation and some dolphining is now going on since adding the CT.Perhaps they are just trying to rid the irritation from thier gills. These are just a few observations and I am not unduely worried but your thoughts are much appreciated. Best REgards Dave

yes your in effect using chlorine in a very controlled manner
i would give it a few days then have another look at the wounds

dunc

Duncan When examining this wound it is possible to turn the koi over in the large deep square net(not the one I catch her in)that I have but fear the possibilty of desturbing any new skin which may have grown.Should I therefore slightly anaethetise the koi in a bowl prior to inpection. I had the idea that if I couldn,t feel any rough scales underneath to just carry on with a couple of more weekly CT treatments and not to stress her too much as she looks to be definately on the mend ( now regularly feeding)and has been through quite a lot. Your thoughts are appreciated. Best Regards Dave

[Duncan]

hi ya dave

i would sedate her a little and have a better look, i would expect to see that whitening over by now

glad things are looking better

dunc

[Gazza]

Hi Dave,

One of the things about sedating a fish is it gives you more time to have a good look without rushing so you can give the wound a thorough examination. When not sedating we tend to rush through it a bit more or the fish gets stressed so then this is where we could miss something and return the fish to the pond with a wound which would need some treatment and could set all your hard work back.

[DaveB]

Hi Dave,

One of the things about sedating a fish is it gives you more time to have a good look without rushing so you can give the wound a thorough examination. When not sedating we tend to rush through it a bit more or the fish gets stressed so then this is where we could miss something and return the fish to the pond with a wound which would need some treatment and could set all your hard work back.

Cheers Duncan and Gazza, good points. sedate it is then and thanks for the input.If that is the case I will take some photos and then hopefully let me know your thoughts which way to go ie topical treat or more CT treatments. Best Regards Dave

[DaveB]

Day 17 update(4th day after CT treatment)



Hi guys Looks like a lot of healing has taken place, but not quite ther yet? Look at where my thumb is on the first photo and then on the one without my thumb. This are was a bit dry but looked ok,I did not want to disturb anything so I left everything as is and just returned the koi to the pond.
Where do I go from here ?
Best REgards Dave

[Duncan]

looking good my man, keep an open for any dead scales around the edge other than that its looking great, you did right not to mess at this stage that was a big old wound to start off healing

dunc

[DaveB]

looking good my man, keep an open for any dead scales around the edge other than that its looking great, you did right not to mess at this stage that was a big old wound to start off healing

dunc

That was quick Duncan you must have been sitting at the computer.
The Chloramine T is just about spent and now wonder whether to continue with a few weekly low dose CT treatments starting 7 days after last treatment.and inspect on a weekly basis to finish the job off. The CT has done much more to heal than the antibiotics did on there own,so I am really pleased now the way its going but fear that the rough area is a scale which will probably need to come out but will keep an eye open.
Let me know what you think.Your time is much appreciated. Best REgardsDave