Tail Tube Damage
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Re: Tail Tube Damage
Hi Mark,
Fingers crossed mate and hope as you say there is signs of healing and we are on the way forward.
Keep up the good work
Fingers crossed mate and hope as you say there is signs of healing and we are on the way forward.
Keep up the good work
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Have to say I was a bit taken about by the latest pictures. Whilst the wound may have closed there's a lot of "noise" happening around the wound site.
Have you dug around Mark to ensure there are no fragments of scales or some foreign bodies around this area?
Also, the marked area looked odd. Was that scale alive?
Tom
Have you dug around Mark to ensure there are no fragments of scales or some foreign bodies around this area?
Also, the marked area looked odd. Was that scale alive?
Tom
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Re: Tail Tube Damage
Hi Tom,
The area your looking at is all 'healed over' the wound site after a complete clear out, so yes, you are right, its not right at all. The scales had been entirely removed from this area.
I have taken this all away again, back to the cartilage and HP the crevice between the cartilage and the body, where there was a lot of black crap. This is confirmation of Duncs initial comments about there being crap in there still.
As long as the koi keeps healing over I will clear it out if it continues to look like this when its healed over, until the dreaded decision to cut the tail away in this area, removing the cartilage/rays entirely.
A tough regimen, but I have to give her every chance.
Mark
The area your looking at is all 'healed over' the wound site after a complete clear out, so yes, you are right, its not right at all. The scales had been entirely removed from this area.
I have taken this all away again, back to the cartilage and HP the crevice between the cartilage and the body, where there was a lot of black crap. This is confirmation of Duncs initial comments about there being crap in there still.
As long as the koi keeps healing over I will clear it out if it continues to look like this when its healed over, until the dreaded decision to cut the tail away in this area, removing the cartilage/rays entirely.
A tough regimen, but I have to give her every chance.
Mark
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Mark
Thanks for clarification.
What temp are you at?
Tom
Thanks for clarification.
What temp are you at?
Tom
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Tom,
Sorry, in and out, so posting when about - currently sat at 23 degrees, hoping this is enough, although can heat higher if its going to help.
Mark
Sorry, in and out, so posting when about - currently sat at 23 degrees, hoping this is enough, although can heat higher if its going to help.
Mark
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Hi Mark
23c is a good temperature.
When I have serious issues, I tend to head very quiclkly to 27-28c , CT'ing on the way up. Regrowth rates are v good here. That said, it's a bit of a "all in" strategy and only advisable in my view if you know your water/system is solid. If you are dealing with issues of a poor system then a rethink is required.
I've regrown signficant elements of koi at 27-28c over a relatively short-period.
Tom
23c is a good temperature.
When I have serious issues, I tend to head very quiclkly to 27-28c , CT'ing on the way up. Regrowth rates are v good here. That said, it's a bit of a "all in" strategy and only advisable in my view if you know your water/system is solid. If you are dealing with issues of a poor system then a rethink is required.
I've regrown signficant elements of koi at 27-28c over a relatively short-period.
Tom
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Thankfully the koi is healing well, but I have had to clear a lot of 'crap' I had left last time that had started to get fungus growing on it, but having left her in the bowl longer ensured the area was cleaned out well, with HP cleaning out the scale pockets, merch and lock and seal, but keeping out longer to ensure the lock and seal last longer in the pond.
I also realised that the scale pocket outer cover needed bunching back to ensure that they dont instantly break the seal once they get back into the pond - anyone think this is a bad idea?
I will have her out again in a couple of days, and do the same again.
I shall try and take pics next time.
Mark
I also realised that the scale pocket outer cover needed bunching back to ensure that they dont instantly break the seal once they get back into the pond - anyone think this is a bad idea?
I will have her out again in a couple of days, and do the same again.
I shall try and take pics next time.
Mark
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Sounds good, Mark.
You have to be "brutal" on such damage. Any "pansy"-ing around just delays the inevitable or makes things worse. So good to hear.
We watched recently someone (with good experience) trying to clean a bit of damage. They were very careful and after removing a scale and treating, declared the work done. We asked "are you sure?" The answer was "yes". The wound just didn't look pristine. Took over with the tweezers and scalpel and dug around. After about 20 seconds, it was apparent there was something else there. A little more prying - and yep, a quarter of a long dead scale embedded underneath the wound site. Hopefully with heat and care that wound won't be visible moving forward.
It's a matter of getting it clean and allowing the koi to heal. They are v good at it in the right conditions.
Tom
You have to be "brutal" on such damage. Any "pansy"-ing around just delays the inevitable or makes things worse. So good to hear.
We watched recently someone (with good experience) trying to clean a bit of damage. They were very careful and after removing a scale and treating, declared the work done. We asked "are you sure?" The answer was "yes". The wound just didn't look pristine. Took over with the tweezers and scalpel and dug around. After about 20 seconds, it was apparent there was something else there. A little more prying - and yep, a quarter of a long dead scale embedded underneath the wound site. Hopefully with heat and care that wound won't be visible moving forward.
It's a matter of getting it clean and allowing the koi to heal. They are v good at it in the right conditions.
Tom
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Tom,
I cant say I feel that 'competent' yet, but I am learning.
No surprise, the lock and seal isnt still onher, so out tomorrow night, for more of the same
Mark
I cant say I feel that 'competent' yet, but I am learning.
No surprise, the lock and seal isnt still onher, so out tomorrow night, for more of the same
Mark
Re: Tail Tube Damage
Not looking good, more fungus on what appears to be a mess.....
Had her out an hour trying to clean out again, and betadine soaked the wounds, trying to beat back the bacteria, and trying my damnedest to dry the lock & seal before returning to the pond, but fearing the worst now.
Out all day tomorrow, so will look again Thursday.
The likelihood of loosing her is now becoming more than evens.....
Had her out an hour trying to clean out again, and betadine soaked the wounds, trying to beat back the bacteria, and trying my damnedest to dry the lock & seal before returning to the pond, but fearing the worst now.
Out all day tomorrow, so will look again Thursday.
The likelihood of loosing her is now becoming more than evens.....
Re: Tail Tube Damage
hi
im going to make a recomendation here it may not go down to well but if this is not going away its because the crevis is not being cleaned out enough therefor my suggestion is a partial amputation what do you think could you do this?
dunc
im going to make a recomendation here it may not go down to well but if this is not going away its because the crevis is not being cleaned out enough therefor my suggestion is a partial amputation what do you think could you do this?
dunc
Re: Tail Tube Damage
mark
do you want me to work on this for you? not a partial amp but to open it up so it can kinda heal properly?
if so contact me
dunc
do you want me to work on this for you? not a partial amp but to open it up so it can kinda heal properly?
if so contact me
dunc
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hi mark
as discussed today you need to open this up and excavate this as indicated this needs to be flattened off so it can heal
then put the fish in PHS and 1oz per gallons salt
if need be splint it as i described to you
if any of this is to daunting for you im happy to help
dunc
as discussed today you need to open this up and excavate this as indicated this needs to be flattened off so it can heal
then put the fish in PHS and 1oz per gallons salt
if need be splint it as i described to you
if any of this is to daunting for you im happy to help
dunc
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Dunc,
Thanks for the offer, and seriously under consideration, as my evening plans have been postposed so I can review the options.
I have her in a 260gallon vat, not enough for long term, but its 1500x2400x350deep and I am adding salt to raise upto the 1oz per gallon, whilst we review the attached pics;-
Fungus on tail fin ends -
Thanks for the offer, and seriously under consideration, as my evening plans have been postposed so I can review the options.
I have her in a 260gallon vat, not enough for long term, but its 1500x2400x350deep and I am adding salt to raise upto the 1oz per gallon, whilst we review the attached pics;-
Fungus on tail fin ends -
Re: Tail Tube Damage
mark
three more scales to go and that tail needs trmiing now or that fin rot will progress
if you want my q-system is empty now you could bring it down and at least if i cant win it you wont have the agony i having to do the deed and i have the meds needed anyway
dunc
three more scales to go and that tail needs trmiing now or that fin rot will progress
if you want my q-system is empty now you could bring it down and at least if i cant win it you wont have the agony i having to do the deed and i have the meds needed anyway
dunc