Treated for Gill Flukes and still flashing?

[wallo69]

Hi Guys,

Last weekend treated for Tric and Gill flukes, PP Sunday, Flubenol Monday, with the koi seeming to respond well, more active etc, and did a second dose of Flubenol yesterday to catch any missed in the first treatment.

Still getting a few flashing today, not scraped as yet, as unsure if the flukes will still be active for a day or two.... so thats my first question - how long do I wait to scrape again?

Now, a second query over their behavioral symptoms, which relate to a number of my koi, they seem to be quiet active, then decide to 'rest' on the bottom of the pond, in the near end of the pond (its elliptical in shape) and dont move for quite a while.

One koi in particular, the ochiba noted in my other post as with a 'prolapsed vent' is a regular doing this, and this is why it was considered she may have a swim bladder problem?

Is it likely that other koi will 'keep her company' on the bottom? Or am I missing something when scrapes taken so far?

Last weekends scrapes were a bit difficult, with little mucus present on the koi, so I am now wondering if there is something else going on here.

I am currently at a pH of 7.2 and TDS of 110 and KH of 2 so water 'quality' has never been better, and temps after a recent ramp up to 20 (taking delivery of a new koi, two weeks ago) and now steadily reducing back to 15 as there will be a few being sold this weekend and going to cooler ponds, so it may just be the 'changes' over the last few weeks spooking them?

I have historically took a hard line with the koi, not wanting to interfere too much, but with these temp swings obviously giving the parasites a field day, I have been doing my best to keep an eye on them.

Any advice welcome.

Thanks,

Mark

[Duncan]

what were the dates of the respective treatments as this appears like youi put two doses in a day apart or have i the wrong end again

dunc

[wallo69]

Hi Duncan,

Last Sunday 13th March PP in pond, with Flubenol dosed on the Monday 14th then Flubenol again this Monday 21st, one week apart.

The doitsu ochiba is still spending a fair time on the bottom, all others appear fine now..... although a couple end up resting with the ochiba for a while.

Mark

PS A few quick photo's in low light, so not great, but she is still making a bit of effort to get off the bottom, but not much.

Fin looks clamped one side, but this is the pond wall side, so possibly just how she is sat.

[wallo69]

Having time off work to actually keep an eye on them is a double edged sword.

The ochiba is back swimming, and eating ok, but will then go back to the bottom for a 'rest'?

Does anyone else see this behavior in their koi?

Mark

[greg]

Mark,

This could be due to the vent issue and some thing as simple as the eggs pressing on the swim bladder. If you have carried out the correct treatments for the parasites you found and a re-scrape finds nothing then i would begin to look down this route and your back to your last thread in needing to fix this.

[wallo69]

Greg,

If its the eggs impacting on her ability to hold air and hence needing to rest more often, that does tie in with the other threads logic.

I shall re-scrape in a day or so, to discount any other parasitic problem, in the meantime contact my koi club for assistance with a couple of vats.

Cheers,

Mark

[Duncan]

Mark,

This could be due to the vent issue and some thing as simple as the eggs pressing on the swim bladder. If you have carried out the correct treatments for the parasites you found and a re-scrape finds nothing then i would begin to look down this route and your back to your last thread in needing to fix this.

Bingo! great call greg, yep this is screeming this fish needs attention now rather than later.. you may have to go the expensive route mate

dunc

[wallo69]

Duncan,

The amount of rest time I am seeing I think your probably right Ducan - with the obvious statement that I dont have a quarantine set up, so will need to borrow some vats, and having spent time today going through your book on the options, how quick do you think this could be effective? The CPE method?

Mark

[Gazza]

Hi Mark,

Just out of interest why the two treatments of Flubonel and was it the real stuff

[Geoff9]

Hi Gazza
I think he said GILL FLUKES so more than one treatment to catch the eggs.

Regards Geoff

[Duncan]

hi guys

flubenol and supaverm for that matter has a spectrum of action against eggs as well it disrupts the egg wall so two treatments is not needed for gill fluke

i have treated pond with certainly s/v when i used to use it and gone back 12 month later and still no sign of a fluke

dunc

[Gazza]

Hi Geoff,

Sorry i missed this and as Duncan has said if you are using the correct Flubonel and at the correct mix and volume you should have no need to dose the pond twice as it will take car of them in one pass

[wallo69]

Gazza,

As usual I should have checked with Dunc, as I was advised two doses would be required due the egg laying nature of gill flukes.

Yes it was the 5% Flubenol I ordered on line having got the vet to prescribe it, as per your good advice at the time!

Mark

[Gazza]

Hi Mark,

Cool thats the stuff mate and you will be able to save yourself a bit more money in future by only dosing the once