koi consuming their eggs
Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:23 pm
I was asked on face book how koi consume their own eggs
well I thought Hell it should be on here its a bit complex but here tiz
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Ok here tiz, the best way to explain this and dumb it down so everyone can get a handle on it.
Remember David Blain when he hung over the Thames in a glass box for a couple of months without food? Well it all starts here. Remember he had already fasted and purged his system before he went in the glass box you did not want to see him defecating so his system was purged and voided before he went in, now the body in fact the body of all higher animals and fishes consume food for energy and the building of skeletal and muscle tissue and this includes muscle such as the heart, when it does not need any more energy the surplus is stored in the liver as glycogen when the liver is full the body starts producing FAT and stores this fat all over the body. When times are lean the liver releases glycogen back as glucose for energy and when that’s gone its starts to consume fat and convert that.
Back to David, the real danger to him was obviously starving to death but he was already lean so had very little reserve to call on so the more immediate danger was the fact once he had used up all his reserve energy with nothing left his body would start consuming itself to stay alive this is called “Catabolysis”. The body is a clever thing it knows what it can consume and in what order to stay alive as long as possible obviously should food be eventually forthcoming. The longer time goes by the more damage is done to muscle and organs and eventually they are so wasted away they can’t be repaired. This is the same with all animals, which is why you see bodies of animals more often in Africa that have died of starvation in an emaciated condition where muscle and organs have been consumed to a point where recovery is no longer possible and the boddy looks like canvas over a frame. This was the case with David Blain his doctors could see he was ok through the glass box but could not tell how far down the road of consuming his own body he had gone!
Right the koi, the koi does the same thing as animals when its deprived of nutrition it will first start re converting glycogen back to glucose and when all that reserve has diminished the fat will be consumed. It’s worth mentioning that the fat and the glycogen is not in the gut but is still broken down by enzymes and ATP Adenosine triphosphate will transport it to where it’s needed, when these reserves has run their course the carp WILL start consuming its own body but with the female it has an advantage in some cases it has a huge stash of eggs it can utilise as energy, so the female body will start with these, enzymes will break the eggs down into a molecular form and Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) will transport this energy through metabolic pathways across the cell walls to where it’s needed. The male is not so lucky he drew the short straw and does not have this hoard of energy so will start consuming himself once the glycogen and fat is gone.
So what’s the likely hood of a female koi consuming her own eggs in the UK? I would say low to nonexistent, because if you think about it, we all over feed our koi and we feed them crap they would never encounter in the wild the end result of which is, They nearly all have huge fat reserves and fatty liver disease to boot and by the time we actually start to think our koi may be egg bound its usually too late because the eggs are going rotten, and if we were to get them to consume the eggs stash, it has huge reserves of glycogen and fat it WILL use first before it starts consuming itself ( eggs)
The process of consuming eggs is very real but takes months not days or weeks and if they are fat forget it the fish will be dead from impaction long before it gets to consume the roe!!!
Hope this has helped you I can’t as I say dumb it down any further. but the technical stuff is below
Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) is a nucleoside triphosphate used in cells as a coenzyme. It is often called the "molecular unit of currency" of intracellular energy transfer ATP transports chemical energy within cells for metabolism. It is one of the end products of photophosphorylation, cellular respiration, and fermentation and used by enzymes and structural proteins in many cellular processes, including biosynthetic reactions, motility, and cell division. One molecule of ATP contains three phosphate groups, and it is produced by a wide variety of enzymes, including ATP synthase, from adenosine diphosphate (ADP) or adenosine monophosphate (AMP) and various phosphate group donors. Substrate-level phosphorylation, oxidative phosphorylation in cellular respiration, and photophosphorylation in photosynthesis are three major mechanisms of ATP biosynthesis.
well I thought Hell it should be on here its a bit complex but here tiz
enjoy
Ok here tiz, the best way to explain this and dumb it down so everyone can get a handle on it.
Remember David Blain when he hung over the Thames in a glass box for a couple of months without food? Well it all starts here. Remember he had already fasted and purged his system before he went in the glass box you did not want to see him defecating so his system was purged and voided before he went in, now the body in fact the body of all higher animals and fishes consume food for energy and the building of skeletal and muscle tissue and this includes muscle such as the heart, when it does not need any more energy the surplus is stored in the liver as glycogen when the liver is full the body starts producing FAT and stores this fat all over the body. When times are lean the liver releases glycogen back as glucose for energy and when that’s gone its starts to consume fat and convert that.
Back to David, the real danger to him was obviously starving to death but he was already lean so had very little reserve to call on so the more immediate danger was the fact once he had used up all his reserve energy with nothing left his body would start consuming itself to stay alive this is called “Catabolysis”. The body is a clever thing it knows what it can consume and in what order to stay alive as long as possible obviously should food be eventually forthcoming. The longer time goes by the more damage is done to muscle and organs and eventually they are so wasted away they can’t be repaired. This is the same with all animals, which is why you see bodies of animals more often in Africa that have died of starvation in an emaciated condition where muscle and organs have been consumed to a point where recovery is no longer possible and the boddy looks like canvas over a frame. This was the case with David Blain his doctors could see he was ok through the glass box but could not tell how far down the road of consuming his own body he had gone!
Right the koi, the koi does the same thing as animals when its deprived of nutrition it will first start re converting glycogen back to glucose and when all that reserve has diminished the fat will be consumed. It’s worth mentioning that the fat and the glycogen is not in the gut but is still broken down by enzymes and ATP Adenosine triphosphate will transport it to where it’s needed, when these reserves has run their course the carp WILL start consuming its own body but with the female it has an advantage in some cases it has a huge stash of eggs it can utilise as energy, so the female body will start with these, enzymes will break the eggs down into a molecular form and Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) will transport this energy through metabolic pathways across the cell walls to where it’s needed. The male is not so lucky he drew the short straw and does not have this hoard of energy so will start consuming himself once the glycogen and fat is gone.
So what’s the likely hood of a female koi consuming her own eggs in the UK? I would say low to nonexistent, because if you think about it, we all over feed our koi and we feed them crap they would never encounter in the wild the end result of which is, They nearly all have huge fat reserves and fatty liver disease to boot and by the time we actually start to think our koi may be egg bound its usually too late because the eggs are going rotten, and if we were to get them to consume the eggs stash, it has huge reserves of glycogen and fat it WILL use first before it starts consuming itself ( eggs)
The process of consuming eggs is very real but takes months not days or weeks and if they are fat forget it the fish will be dead from impaction long before it gets to consume the roe!!!
Hope this has helped you I can’t as I say dumb it down any further. but the technical stuff is below
Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) is a nucleoside triphosphate used in cells as a coenzyme. It is often called the "molecular unit of currency" of intracellular energy transfer ATP transports chemical energy within cells for metabolism. It is one of the end products of photophosphorylation, cellular respiration, and fermentation and used by enzymes and structural proteins in many cellular processes, including biosynthetic reactions, motility, and cell division. One molecule of ATP contains three phosphate groups, and it is produced by a wide variety of enzymes, including ATP synthase, from adenosine diphosphate (ADP) or adenosine monophosphate (AMP) and various phosphate group donors. Substrate-level phosphorylation, oxidative phosphorylation in cellular respiration, and photophosphorylation in photosynthesis are three major mechanisms of ATP biosynthesis.