Simply Koi and More Koi

Hi Chris,

I know what you mean about how much you learn in such a short space of time at Duncan's and i bet it opened your eyes a bit

Glad she is back eating and recovering well.

Duncan could this of been a foreign object or a small piece of bone which has just got in there somehow

Gazza,

Similar thoughts here, I was wondering wether it might have been a tooth that grew in the wrong direction.


Chris (another one)

Hi Guys

The bone Duncan removed was definitely strange. When it was pulled with the tweezers, there was definite movement of the gill plate, but whether the bone had attached there or it was the soft tissues that caused the movement, who knows? As Dunc said, he's checked his fish skeleton and is still confused - and if he is, what chance do the rest of us have?

Dunc is obviously right when he says "better out than in" because the koi is eating again, not spitting its food out like it was!

An amazing afternoon that was both interesting and educational - thanks to Chris for inviting me along and to Dunc for letting us observe his skills in action!

Cheers

Bob

hi folks

im stressed out on puters at the moment but i have found out by euthenasing a koiand disecting its lower jaw

some great revelations unexpected not least of which was chris's fish bone in her throat
i now know what it does and how it functions and why it functions and its incredible absolutely stunning piece of physiology

my thanks to chris for allowing me this with out which i probably would not have ventured in this part of the fish sinply because we all concentrate on the main bit

got some great pictures but you will have to wait till im up and running properly

super stuff

dunc

Hi Guys,

See this is where it is great having a person like Duncan at the helm as if he is unsure then thats it time to find out what or why

Look forward to the pics and explanation Dunc

mate you know me if i dont know i will say so not busk it on google

but when i say this is exciting i really mean itim still hyper over this discovery its basic engineering in a nut shell
im excited

looking forward to seeing what you've found out ... as she's still eating like a pig. So hopefully it'll not have any real detrimental side effects.

I'm gonna take the stitches out next weekend. So will add some piccys of the healing process.

hi chris

i have no way of processing the pictures yet im still on my net book and i shoot in raw format now for fish photo's

what i can say is, your fish was well screwed and that bone needed liberating. in short knowing what i know now i would do the exact same procedure again, but it also answer's a long standing question on many forums, why some fish end up having their jaws locked up in the open position

shoukd have my puter up and running with all my files on by mid week

dunc

glad we (the royal "we" - she) were able to help - now you've wetted my appetite

Got home a bit early from work, so out she came, sedated her and got ready to remove stitches .....

well, two of the stitches had disappeared - leaving a bit of a hole. I removed three and left one behind as I didn't want to disturb the healing process.
Mercurochrome was applied and some lock and seal - I didnt see any infection and the one on her chest in the earlier photo has almost completly gone away.
I'll wait another week or two before I remove the last stitch - but it looks like she might be going to spawn anytime soon as the chasing has begun.

Chris
thats very strange , this was a very straight forward closure

you may have to tidy this and re-tie those sutures at that end i dont think this will close on its own or failing that i will have to do it

if you want some sutures let em know i'll send you some down

otherwise looking good

Dunc, should I do it now or wait a week or two and see what happens?

I don't see any infection and I guess that part is under pressure when she eats. Also she's being harassed by the boys a bit.

well i dont think that last suture is doing anything i think its only in one side , so i would say do it as soon as

send me your snail mail addy and i'll get somke in the post to you FOC and just tie them any way you can dont worry about the fancy stuff

but touch base with me first and i'll give you some advice

dunc

Damaged re-stitched .... but Duncan, it's not as easy as you made it look

I tried to stitch from clear skin to clear skin and pull the damage together .... that made the stitches quite wide apart and even though I removed some tissue to start good blood flow, I could not pull the ends completly together, for fear of the stitch pulling through the skin.

.... fair bit of fleshy growth has taken place, but you can still see the hole
counting the stitches from top to bottom - nos 1, 3 and 4 were relatively easy to do .. but number 2, I had to go a long way to ensure that it didnt pull through
Mercurochrome
Lock and seal

chris
under the circumstances a great job mate give your self a pat on the back for a job well done

we need to leave this as long as possible now give it half a chance

look how neat the ones are that never pulled out

we will wait hey?

dunc