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Re: What are your successful treatments

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:11 pm
by Spalders
Topical treatments for me:-

Roccal
Mercurochrome
Lock & Seal with Propolis
Orahesive Powder

Iodine for raised scales, minor bumps etc.

PP solution (if necessary for fin and mouth rot)

Tried MFR1 once on mouth rot, no joy.

Tried Koi Clear Gel, thought it was rubbish.

Pond / tank treatments

Salt
CT
PP
FMG

Re: What are your successful treatments

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:02 am
by Duncan
funny you should say koi clear Gel was rubbish

ozonated oils is big business and the FDA in the states have done a lot of researtch into it this is what they came up with

The FDA have categorised Ozone Therapy as a fraud.

It is a complete scam - There is absolutely no evidence that it works, not from any scientific perspective. In fact when placed under scientific scrutiny, it fails dreadfully. Don't be scammed .

To put it into perspective, criminal proceedings have been instituted against ozone generator companies for fraudulently misrepresenting their products and for intentionally scamming people


that said Maxine and I have discussed what we think is at work with this stuff to early to divulge yet as i dont have anything to treat

Re: What are your successful treatments

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:15 pm
by maxinegrundy
Yes Duncan
it was an interesting chat about it :D
I do have some manky koi if you fancy giving it a bash :)
Max

Re: What are your successful treatments

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:49 pm
by tucker81
ive all duncans treatments in the cabinet, but i have found koi gel to work well for me and my mate

tom :D

Re: What are your successful treatments

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:22 pm
by maxinegrundy
LOL .. i have some manky koi for you Duncan
just let me know when you want them :roll:
Max

Re: What are your successful treatments

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:46 pm
by kingfisher
I use iodine,lock&seal/Roccal. Have read some tales of iodine reaction ?
Hydrogen Peroxide (cleansing damage)
Vircon in the Spring.
Phenoxy for anaesthetic
Don`t like PP- nearly wiped my stock out.

Don`t like gentian violet,got bad cold sores on my lips just before I got engaged & the Doc. smothered me in the stuff :(

kingfisher

Re: What are your successful treatments

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:18 am
by KoiDoctor
For many years now i've used the basics as suggested by Duncan and the book (bible)

As a standard for ulcers = [mercurochrome]/[io-sal] (i've occasionally found mercurochrome too strong and iodine possibly weaker but better in the long run) + orahesive powder (that has to be applied correctly or it flakes off like a massive bandage) + seal by Lock n Seal Plus (or whatever the kids are calling it these days)

Gentian violet is definitely effective for general forms of rotting in my experience it {burns} away the infection and allows the skin to regrow on a clean surface. In the right conditions the single use of gentian violet has worked to heal fins.
In cold water it can relapse but a second treatment with general antiseptic and a sealer works.
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Currently i've been testing with both a liquid concentrate and a paste form of Proflavin hemasulphate as a direct antiseptic treatment just by itself as an alternative to mercurochrome without a sealer and with a sealer.

Results so far have shown an instantaneous soothing effect working like an anti-bacterial (somewhat the same as they use on horses for sores)

I've found similar results on majorly infected areas, where normally peroxide would be used and as i've found to be quite harsh and a long turn around for healing, obversely again the soothing is seen in a reduction in redness. However current calculation to appropriate strengths to use is difficult as it disperses in water and contact time needs more testing.

I will say i never use malachite or PP as a direct treatment as it seems way to harsh a treatment with better alternatives around. When you think of how violent potassium is when it touches moisture...

As i say still testing different things but at the end of the day i will always return to the classics that worked 8 years ago and work today.