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boogatee · Post by **boogatee** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:23 pm

Doing my pond duties this morning and noticed this on my showa ... knocked her out and checked inside her mouth, nothing there. Any ideas anyone?

Gazza · Post by **Gazza** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:24 pm

Hi Chris,

I take it you mean the lump on the bottom of its throat and that it has never been there before

Just going a bit for a stab in the dark do you think there is any chance that something has got lodged in from a scrape or cut like a little stone or something and its skinned over or even possible something thats gone in through the mouth

Post by **Duncan** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:15 pm

this looks like this fish has swallowed soemthing to big for its gob and shut down on it shoving it through the throat , good grief i would love to cut this open and have a good look and thats what it may come to

dunc

tomy2ponds · Post by **tomy2ponds** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:19 pm

What does it feel like can you feel anything in the lump ? I think Duncan is right you may need to cut to see what it is

boogatee · Post by **boogatee** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:22 pm

stuck my finger in her mouth ... and it feels li something in the jaw line. That soft area below the jaw ... has the consistency of cartilage.

Dunc - we might be able to arrange something

eds · Post by **eds** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:23 pm

Maybe a silly question but are you sure it wasn't there before and it's just become more noticeable as the fish has grown? It looks like a deformity to me at first look.

boogatee · Post by **boogatee** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:32 pm

Ed, I honestly can't remember it being there before ... she's about 60 cm and it sort of has the shape of a wish bone.

ps... by the way, she eats like a pig and last year she spawned twice but she doesn't appear as laden with eggs this year as she did last.

eds · Post by **eds** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:36 pm

boogatee wrote:Ed, I honestly can't remember it being there before ... she's about 60 cm and it sort of has the shape of a wish bone.

ps... by the way, she eats like a pig and last year she spawned twice but she doesn't appear as laden with eggs this year as she did last.

Fair enough mate. Will be interesting to see if Duncan can 'operate' and get to the bottom of it.

Post by **Duncan** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:28 pm

hows this fish going ? any news yet?

dunc

Russ Little Pond · Post by **Russ Little Pond** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:30 pm

Some pictures of the opp if possible please.

Post by **Duncan** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:31 pm

if Chris bring it to me he can man the camera

StuW · Post by **StuW** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:36 pm

From the picture it looks like the cartilage making up part of the bottom jaw has been bent against itself as it seems to blend in so well towards the back of the jaw, could it be this or is there no cartilage in this area? May be a silly question but it is the only way to learn.

boogatee · Post by **boogatee** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:56 pm

My plan is to knock her out again this week end and have a good look, after that - depending on the results - I'll pm you Dunc and than we can arrange something. So will post more pictures on Sat.

boogatee · Post by **boogatee** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:56 pm

New pictures ....

Gazza · Post by **Gazza** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:50 pm

Hi Chris,

Is it me or does it look like there is something inside in the mouth

Also the last picture shows the lump and it looks a bit redish so there could be something going on here what did it feel like and did you also feel inside the mouth

Lot of help i am just seem to ask more questions

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