[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4756: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3891)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4758: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3891)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4759: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3891)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4760: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3891)
Simply Koi and More Koi • View topic - Block built filter debate

Block built filter debate

Moderators: B.Scott, vippymini, Gazza, Manky Sanke

Postby Bob Hart » Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:02 pm

Yes big transfer ports is what I'm looking to do, 6" being a dam good size - must keep my eyes out for some pipe 'laying about'!

What I'm thinking of doing is converting the 2nd chamber (currently aerated K1, was previously a brush chamber) to being another static K1 chamber. This would mean passing a 4" pipe from the bottom drain inlet chamber, through the Vortex/static K1 chamber, to it.

Then from here, take a 6" outlet through the next chamber to the 4th chamber.

The outlet from the original Vortex/Static K1 chamber, will have to go through the 'new' static K1 chamber to the 3rd chamber.

If that was all OK, its just what to do with the 5th chamber. If I joined everything back together here, there may be different pull through rates from both systems?
Regards, Bob
Not 'the' Bob the Builder
><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> - http://www.koiquest.co.uk/
User avatar
Bob Hart
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:53 am
Location: Maidstone, Kent, England

Postby dho » Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:49 pm

Wow, the debate is still going strong.

Just fitted 2x500 watt flood light today so it doesn't matter what time of the day I go outside it is still light.

As regarding pulling the vortext twice every day. I like doing it. I go out to feed the fish twice aday, and it is only 30 seconds out of my life to flush the vortex. Now that I have the lighting I can even see the fish!!! Did I mention my vortex is sitting in my shed away from from the rain. :D

Good luck with the filter mods, Bob. I am sure you will keep us posted when the time comes.
User avatar
dho
Hammer Head shark
Hammer Head shark
 
Posts: 275
Joined: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:50 am
Location: London

Postby greg » Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:57 am

Removed.
greg
Hammer Head shark
Hammer Head shark
 
Posts: 271
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 9:28 am

Postby Bob Hart » Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:46 am

OK instead of making 2 filter systems, why dont I just rip out the brick/block built Vortex and a couple of dividing walls and make a large settlement chamber at the front end. It would be roughly 2.5 metres x 1 metre x 1 metre deep, giving over 1000 gallons. There would be a bit more up front of the length, where the pipes come in.

You guys with the large settlement chambers, what's yours thoughts on this? Remember the 5100 gallon per hour turnover, is this large enough?

The advantages on the rebuild for me would be that this is easy to achieve.

But what advantages/disadvantages would I then have with operating it?????

Advanatages
- no K1 to block up on in the Vortex/Static K1.
- Therefore no pumps being starved of water

Disadvantages
- would everything settle out i the size chamber?????
- How do I easily clean this out?
- Draining it would lose over 1000 gallons, take a week to refill on RO water and may not be able to restart pumps for a couple of days until it does top up enough. Or doesnt it have to be drained each time?
Regards, Bob
Not 'the' Bob the Builder
><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> - http://www.koiquest.co.uk/
User avatar
Bob Hart
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:53 am
Location: Maidstone, Kent, England

Postby greg » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:48 am

Removed.
greg
Hammer Head shark
Hammer Head shark
 
Posts: 271
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 9:28 am

Postby Bob Hart » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:29 am

Greg,

Thanks for your post, but I do feel you are missing one key point. The filter 'exists' this would be a change to the settlement only. Perhaps it's my poor explanation, I'll explain further

There are 3 x 4" bottom drains coming in at one end of the filter system all pipes point upwards and can be isolated by putting on pieces of 4" pipe.
Currently a small chamber exists which they are in and 2 x 6" exists from this small chamber feed into the Brick/block built 37" diameter vortex. This has static K1 in it and the 2 x 6" outlets feed into an aerated K1 chamber. This chamber used to once be a brush chamber.

Now if I removed the Vortex structure and the adjoining walls between these 3 chambers, the result would be an oddly shaped chamber, with rough dimensions of 2.5 metres long x 1 metre wide x maximum of 1 metre deep. It would have 2 x 2" bottom drains in it as that's what's there now. I can render and fibreglass it - but would it do the job?

I may well post this same question over on the ****** forum, as I do view what goes on over there.

I just dont want a dirty settlement area which is difficult to keep clean. Or a settlement chamber that does work as it's too small for the flow through. And I definitely dont want brushes ever again!!!!!
Regards, Bob
Not 'the' Bob the Builder
><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> - http://www.koiquest.co.uk/
User avatar
Bob Hart
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:53 am
Location: Maidstone, Kent, England

Postby Dave T » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:30 pm

Hi Bob,

Firstly good size settlement will take out nearly all the waste passing into it....in my case I hazard a guess of it defiantely being in the 95%98% range as my bio is spotless.

I have 2 drains going to the settlement tank, both draw similar amounts of water through them...you ask how do i know? if I put my hand over the entry pipes to the settlement tank both seem to have same flow.
Like Greg says it is ideal to have a drain to each tank for best settlement.
My settlement tank is 12ftx3ftx3ft & have 2 aquamax 12000 pulling from the filter which equates to 5,300 gals/hr ...realistically Im probably pulling 3-4k gals per/hr.....In your situation the waste will settle theres no doubt about that.
Bob if you modify to a large settlemnt tank, if at all possible you could bench the tank WELL in an effort to get the waste to settle and roll to the outlet/drain making it easy to purge.
Also keep in mind flowing water coming into the tank will have lots of momentum, you must stop this momentum in its tracks otherwise it can sweep the settlement tank floor instead of settling the waste, it all depends where your incoming pipes area situated.
A local carp farm near me use this method and I use it on my pond ...
Put caps over the incoming pipes...looks like something you'd see on a chimney to stop water from entering... water enters into the tank and the momentum is halted by the spreading the flow out to the sides. I get settlement 1ft to 12ft of the tank.

No doubt about it you will be impressed with the results should you opt for a large settlement.

some food for thought...
Dave T
Sandbar shark
Sandbar shark
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:04 pm

Postby Bob Hart » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:14 pm

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the reply and it looks like I'm up for it. Job for early in the new year me thinks and I hope it sorts out my settlement issues.

You mention benching, how steep is yours? I get the impression that a lot of people do have their floors quite flat, spreading the crap out very thinly.
Regards, Bob
Not 'the' Bob the Builder
><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> - http://www.koiquest.co.uk/
User avatar
Bob Hart
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:53 am
Location: Maidstone, Kent, England

Postby greg » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:40 pm

Removed.
greg
Hammer Head shark
Hammer Head shark
 
Posts: 271
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 9:28 am

Postby Bob Hart » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:01 pm

Greg,

b) was what I thought some of you guys had mentioned, allowing longer periods between vacc'ing if required.
Regards, Bob
Not 'the' Bob the Builder
><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> - http://www.koiquest.co.uk/
User avatar
Bob Hart
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:53 am
Location: Maidstone, Kent, England

Postby Gazza » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:28 pm

So then Bob is it going to be a new settlement chamber now then :?:
Not The Gazza From E-Bay

Regards,

Gazza
User avatar
Gazza
architeuthis moderator
architeuthis moderator
 
Posts: 5306
Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:24 pm
Location: Essex,UK

Postby dannyboy » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:34 pm

Bob,
So wheres all this time going to come from (your all ways working :twisted: :twisted: )
Do you want me to still keep an eye out for some 6" pipe :?:

Cheers DAN :wink:
Cheers DAN ;-) Im far to busy working to be rich !

User avatar
dannyboy
Black Tip Reef Shark
Black Tip Reef Shark
 
Posts: 198
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:08 pm
Location: East sussex

Postby Bob Hart » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:36 pm

Yes Gazza, as I'm block built anyway, I may as well go the whole hog!

This will be the 4th or is it 5th settlement version over the 12-years of this block filter.

Seems to work for many others so worth a try for myself.

May well do early in the new year!
Regards, Bob
Not 'the' Bob the Builder
><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> - http://www.koiquest.co.uk/
User avatar
Bob Hart
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:53 am
Location: Maidstone, Kent, England

Postby chr1ssy » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:52 pm

Chrissy
User avatar
chr1ssy
Lemon Shark
Lemon Shark
 
Posts: 25
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:26 am
Location: Nr Leeds, Yorkshire

Postby Bob Hart » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:56 pm

Regards, Bob
Not 'the' Bob the Builder
><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> ><{{{{º> - http://www.koiquest.co.uk/
User avatar
Bob Hart
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:53 am
Location: Maidstone, Kent, England

PreviousNext

Return to Historic posts read only

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron