Dermocystidium new treatment

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hi all
paul is up tomorrow and i have mixed a fresh batch of silver nitrate up to supliment my silver nitrate sticks i really wanna kill this sucker

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Hi Dunc,

Good luck and please get some pics for us all :D
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Firstly, a massive thank you to Duncan for looking after myself and my fish yesterday. My Chagoi didn't arrive at Dunc's in the best condition, due to my lack of O2 and poor packing skills! But, calmly, Duncan popped her in a bowl and soon had her ready for the procedure. I will post some pictures and comments below.

The fish is now back in my pond, and travelled home well after being rather more expertly packed! She was eating again this morning, Dunc, so all looks well - progress pictures will follow in due course.

Lastly, another massive thank you!!!!

Paul T.

PS hope you pond visit went well today.
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Work starts on the small site to cut away as much as possible
Work starts on the small site to cut away as much as possible
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Application of silver nitrate
Application of silver nitrate
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You can see the reaction by the change of colour.
You can see the reaction by the change of colour.
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Cutting away the larger dermo site.
Cutting away the larger dermo site.
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Silver nitrate applied with cotton bud.
Silver nitrate applied with cotton bud.
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Again the change of colour is obvious.
Again the change of colour is obvious.
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Mercurochrome applied.  Note this was followed with Orahesive powder and a sealer.
Mercurochrome applied. Note this was followed with Orahesive powder and a sealer.
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Somethig to help recovery.
Somethig to help recovery.
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A dab of Mercurochrome
A dab of Mercurochrome
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Duncan brings her round again.
Duncan brings her round again.
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Re: Dermocystidium new treatment

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Hi Paul,

Looks like a good job done by the boss (as i would expect of course :D ) and i bet you had a great day and nothing like a bit of hands on in front of someone who knows what he is doing :D
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Hi Paul,

I am pleased to see the koi looking well, and hopeful Dunc has found the answer to this nasty problem!

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OK, I took an update pic on Sunday - 9 days after Duncan worked on the fish. I've attached these below. I think we have to wait a while longer to draw any conclusions.

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9 days after treatment with Silver nitrate.
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Re: Dermocystidium new treatment

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paul

that looks good mate i was worried about the healing but its getting there


now i will be surprised if the dermo has survived that onslaught

im quite happy now i can see it starting to heal

cheers for the update

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Re: Dermocystidium new treatment

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Hi Duncan,

I had a Saragoi with the same problem last year, I treated with HP & Myrocrome and lost about 20% of its tail, it is coming back and so is the Dermocystidium.
I have now found that another of my koi a Doitsu showa approx 18" has the same problem ( i will get a photo tomorrow night and post) is there anything you would recommend to use or just leave it alone.

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Hi

This is the koi with I think what has the same symtons, would you recommend the same course of action or leave well alone

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hi steve

you dont want to leave this alone mate , its in the early stages at the moment so you need to act now

sadly mercurochrome as good as it is aint going to effect this you need something a whole lot more aggressive

go back to the begining and read through pauls was well advanced when we started so the original treatment may work for you im stioll convinced it will work i have used it on an eye to good effect since

sadly i cannot supply silver nitrate because of its toxic nature

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Hi

I will get some wart freeze treatment by scholl, this weekend and try it, I will let you know what happens.


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really open the cysts up and give it a damn good freezing

i know paula uses this but in liquid nitrogen form this is the next best thing

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A quick update, with a picture taken this morning. I think this looks very promising - I'm not sure the photo shows it too well, but the larger site is more or less completely flat - It's early days, but this looks to me like the dermo may be beaten here. On the smaller site, there is one lump forming that I'm still a little worried about (top right of the small site on the photo). Further updates to follow.

Steve - sorry to see you're suffering this too - let us know how it goes. One thing I think I would do, if I used the freeze stuff again is squirt a LITTLE more 'stuff' into the applicator than stated on the instructions. When I used it the second time, with the sites opened up a little more, I was struggling to 'freeze' the site completely. Just a thought for you to consider.

Oh, as a by the way, Dunc, I think you were correct about my female Chagoi being a boy - the gill plates and pecs were starting to feel a little rough this morning!

Cheers
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Re: Dermocystidium new treatment

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Great thread to read albeit your (Male) Chag was touch and go. Good to see the main man at work :wink:

Great work and good to see it's definate healing from the 1st batch of pictures.

Very interesting and this has really helped me, should I find myself in a similar predicament.
Steve hope your fish's treatment is going well.

Thanks guys
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Re: Dermocystidium new treatment

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Hi Paul,

I have to say i would tend to agree with you its looking good and lets hope it continues to do so and thanks for the update.
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